Stone and Caputo were lying about contacts with Russia
WASHINGTON – Senior House Intelligence Committee Democrat says he’s been thinking for a long time Donald trump Councilor Roger Stone and an associate “lied by their teeth” when they testified before his panel and they should both be investigated for perjury.
Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., Commented on Stone and another former Trump adviser, Michael Caputo, during an interview for the Yahoo News Podcast “Skullduggery”.
Swalwell focused on recent revelations that, at Caputo’s instigation, Stone met during the 2016 Florida campaign with a Russian immigrant and sometimes an FBI informant named Henry Greenberg who offered “dirt” to Hillary Clinton.
Neither Stone nor Caputo mentioned the meeting when they testified before the House Intelligence Committee last year about their contacts with the Russians – a failure both men attributed to being forgotten .
“And so to say that there was ‘memory failure’ on the part of the two individuals to remember this meeting, I just don’t buy it,” Swalwell told the chief investigative correspondent of Yahoo News, Michael Isikoff, and editor, Daniel Klaidman.
“I think they just lied between their teeth to protect the fact that they were willing and eager to meet Russians who were offering dirt,” he added.
Swalwell added that he and other Democrats on the committee, led by Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., The panel’s senior member, have been pushing for the transcripts of Stone and Caputo’s closed-door testimony to be sent to the special adviser. Robert mueller, but they were prevented from doing so by the chairman of the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif.
Stone and Caputo were “protected by Republicans who will not allow Mueller’s team to see the transcripts,” Swalwell said.
“The Nunes team refused to cooperate with us on this and at least send [the transcripts] to Mueller, ”he added. “And so yeah, I think Caputo and Stone, that special advocate should be able to review this for perjury.”
The Washington Post first reported this week that in May 2016, Stone – at Caputo’s suggestion – met Greenberg in South Florida and the Russian immigrant said he could provide Trump with damaging information about Clinton for $ 2 million.
Stone says he rejected the offer on the spot. “You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone told Greenberg, according to the Post Account. “He doesn’t pay anything. “
The precise context of the meeting remains unclear – including where Greenberg might have gotten the “filth” he claimed to have. Stone and Caputo both said it wasn’t and now believe they were set up by the FBI.
Yet neither Stone nor Caputo mentioned the meeting when they testified behind closed doors to the intelligence group last year and were specifically grilled about their contacts with the Russians during election season. The two men had categorically denied any contact with the Russians during the campaign. “I haven’t spoken to any identifiable Russian in the two years leading up to this campaign,” Stone said. La Poste in April 2017.
Download or subscribe on iTunes: “Skullduggery” by Yahoo News
More recently, Caputo was questioned about the Greenberg meeting by prosecutors for Special Advocate Robert Mueller, which prompted him to inform the committee that he wanted to change his testimony. He also informed Stone of questions about Greenberg’s reunion, prompting Stone to change his testimony as well.
Swalwell suggested that Stone’s contacts with the Russians are particularly important because the committee has “good reason to believe” that he was in regular contact with Trump during the campaign.
“Stone is a self-proclaimed dirty trickster,” Swalwell said. “He was close to Donald Trump. He communicated with individuals associated with Russian hacks. It would be very hard for me to believe that if he was in regular contact with Donald Trump throughout the summer of 2016 and fall, he would not pass on to Mr. Trump his efforts to get the emails deleted. of Hillary Clinton – or her transmitted efforts that others were taking to get the emails.
Stone, for his part, has denied any wrongdoing and, in his prepared statement to the committee last year (which he released to the press), the veteran GOP consultant specifically accused Swalwell of misrepresenting his “harmless” Twitter messages with a Russian online character. in order to imply that there was a “collusion” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. The pair accused the Congressional Democrats of spreading what Stone called “false accusations” about Russian collusion – without any evidence to back them up – in an attempt to smear their reputations. “God damn you,” Caputo said last month after testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying court costs associated with the ongoing Russian investigation had “forced” his family out of their home and “crushed” their children.
Swalwell pointed out that despite a public report released by the GOP majority of the House Intel Committee, the committee’s overall investigation is not complete and that the panel expects to receive further documents from the Cambridge whistleblower. Analytica Christopher Wylie and to hear the testimony of another witness whose identity has not yet been released. When asked if, based on testimony to date, he thought there was reason to bring articles of impeachment against Trump, Swalwell paused for a moment – then suggested that much would depend on the outcome of the November congressional election and the Democrats’ resumption of control of the House, giving investigators like Swalwell the power to subpoena for the first time.
He said that “because impeachment is the hardest remedy, I think you want to present the American people and our colleagues with an impenetrable case. And the best way to do that would be to have subpoena power – to look at communication logs, to look at bank records, to look at travel records and to be able to show and really tighten the deal – to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. that people would have.
More from Yahoo News’ “Skullduggery”: